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December 16, 2002

Scots-Irish bid sunk by politics

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The News Review:

* Will Euro 2008 be a success?
* Dundee rivals to rethink stadia plans
* European press review
* Scots-Irish bid sunk by politics
* Irish Emigrant – News and jobs for the global Irish community
* Scots football dream fades
* FAI pledge to step up drive for new stadium
* Scotland and Ireland generated less support than Narnia
* Never mind the missing venues, lads, have a few drinks instead
* UEFA EURO 2008™ – News
* The chronic stupidity that runs through Irish public life is a result…
* CNNSI.com – SI Writers – Gabriele Marcotti – Inside World Soccer -…
* Iain’s switch would benefit Scots cause
* O’Neill desperate to avoid pain in Spain
* SOCCER: Taylor on UEFA ‘politics’
* Kingdom mourns death of a great footballer
* Motorsport.com: News channel

Will Euro 2008 be a success?
BBC News – Dec 12, 2002
Without his public support, Scotland were political lightweights in comparison to their competitors. I think future British bids for major sporting events would benefit from learning the lesson of the necessity of strong government backing, which have the political clout to back up their promises. Al, United Kingdom

I’m not surprised by the outcome of the Euro 2008 bid. Unfortunately I think that at the end of the day Ireland let the side down. They simply could not deliver the goods. I am Irish and very proud to be but between the GAA and FAI they have a lot to answer for. Jackie, UK

I’ve lived in both Austria and Switzerland and they are countries whose economies benefit hugely from tourism (summer and winter), so have no fear that foreigners won’t be welcome – you’ll be treated like kings.

Dundee rivals to rethink stadia plans
BBC News – Dec 12, 2002
That could have seen Dundee and Dundee United sharing a ground, although that is not currently allowed under Scottish Premier League rules. Now, following today’s confirmation that the finals will be held in
Switzerland and Austria, both projects are in jeopardy. Dundee rivals request groundshare

Dundee United spokesman Malcolm Brown said: “We will now have to sit down with everyone concerned and begin a new consultation process in the knowledge that Euro 2008 is not going to happen. “We will have to look at the possibility that Scotland may bid for Euro 2012 and assess the implications that might bring. “However, I can confirm that we will be taking the supporters’ views into account. ”

Dundee spokesman Niall Scott confirmed that consultation with the Dens Park supporters over the way forward would also be top of the agenda.

European press review
BBC News – Dec 13, 2002
Austria’s Der Standard knows why. “The fact that Turkey has become so dominant an issue at the beginning of the summit”, the paper believes “is due in no small measure to America’s desire to see it join” the EU. The paper does not sound enthusiastic about Turkey’s membership bid, suggesting that enlargement should proceed one step at a time. The Union “will need years to digest” the arrival of the present group, it says, adding that Turkey is “still far from ‘European’ as defined by the Union”. American fears

Berlingske Tidende explains that America fears “losing its allies to Islamism, and Turkey tops the list of the allies at risk. ”

“The Americans find themselves in a hole, but it is a hole that can be filled in by the European Union,” the paper says.

Scots-Irish bid sunk by politics
Telegraph.co.uk – Dec 12, 2002
The Austrian-Swiss victory was no surprise – they were favourites – the real shock, after the UEFA executive completed a torturous four-hour voting process, was the crushing defeat suffered by the Scottish-Irish bid. They had come with high hopes, confident in making the last three. Not only did they fail to do that, but they did not even win the crucial recommendation of the National Teams Committee, who had made a technical evaluation of the seven candidates. They ranked them as: 1, Austria-Switzerland; 2, Hungary; 3, Greece-Turkey and, 4, a bid from the Nordic countries of Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland. This recommendation went to the executive before they voted and clearly hobbled the… Not only did they fail to do that, but they did not even win the crucial recommendation of the National Teams Committee, who had made a technical evaluation of the seven candidates. They ranked them as: 1, Austria-Switzerland; 2, Hungary; 3, Greece-Turkey and, 4, a bid from the Nordic countries of Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland. This recommendation went to the executive before they voted and clearly hobbled the.

Irish Emigrant – News and jobs for the global Irish community
Emigrant Online – Dec 16, 2002
The story should come back to haunt someone either publicly, when an inquiry is completed this week, or more likely in private. The search for someone to blame also became an obsession with some when the Scotland-Ireland bid to host Euro 2008 failed. The fact that it was like looking for a culprit for the sun going down didn’t deter those involved. By Thursday morning we had gone nine days without anyone dying on our roads, an achievement which is being put down to the introduction of penalty points for speeding offences. Drivers are certainly paying more attention to speed limits and it is to be hoped that the seven people who lost their lives since Thursday are not an indication that the change in behaviour was only temporary. Other stories receiving extensive coverage in the past week related to the plight of Irish fishermen, the Moriarty Tribunal and an increase in the television licence fee… The fact that it was like looking for a culprit for the sun going down didn’t deter those involved. By Thursday morning we had gone nine days without anyone dying on our roads, an achievement which is being put down to the introduction of penalty points for speeding offences. Drivers are certainly paying more attention to speed limits and it is to be hoped that the seven people who lost their lives since Thursday are not an indication that the change in behaviour was only temporary. Other stories receiving extensive coverage in the past week related to the plight of Irish fishermen, the Moriarty Tribunal and an increase in the television licence fee. No room at the hospital

The death of Bronagh Livingstone in Cavan General Hospital, two hours after her birth, was, unfortunately, the big story of the week. In the early hours of Wednesday, Denise Livingstone, who was six months pregnant, went into labour and was rushed the six miles from her home in Emyvale to Monaghan Hospital. It appears that she was initially refused admission but was eventually seen by a senior house doctor before being put in an ambulance to be transferred to Cavan, almost 30 miles away.

Scots football dream fades
BBC News – Dec 14, 2002
The first minister had just heard the disappointing news from Geneva that Scotland and Ireland had lost their joint bid to host Euro 2008. He managed to stutter out congratulations to the winners, Austria and Switzerland. “We wish them well. But we are disappointed at the outcome. The 2008 tournament here in Scotland would have been a fantastic festival for football… Mr Dunion, the chief executive of Friends of the Earth, was chosen by a selection panel of MSPs for the job of Scotland’s first freedom of information commissioner. Everyone rather assumed his appointment would be approved on the nod. Not so, it turned out that the selection panel had been divided 4-3 on the issue. Duncan Hamilton, the SNP representative on the panel, told parliament Mr Dunion was not the best candidate for the job. ]

Bill Aitken for the Conservatives said the same. It appears they favoured the former chief inspector of prisons Clive Fairweather. Sick parrots

An angry debate followed, with Labour and Liberal Democrat MSPs accusing the SNP of undermining the credibility of parliament, just because they lost the vote in a committee.

FAI pledge to step up drive for new stadium
Irish Independent – Dec 13, 2002
The rugby team could play their home matches at Murrayfield, or possibly Cardiff’s Millennium Stadium, while the FAI might opt for either Old Trafford, Parkhead or Anfield. But if the GAA were decide at next year’s Congress to open the doors of Croke Park then it would be possible to keep those games in Ireland while Lansdowne Road is being redeveloped. “Even though we will not be hosting Euro 2008 we still need a stadium and there will be moves on this front after Christmas. We cannot afford to lose the impetus,” a senior FAI official confirmed last night. With FIFA derogation on buckets seats due to expire in 2004, the FAI is particularly keen to get the stadium issue solved as quickly as possible. They are facing the prospect of seeing revenue from home internationals slashed as the capacity of Lansdowne Road is reduced to 22,000. That would have a serious effect on the FAI balance sheet as the profits from these games form a substantial part of the FAI’s income.

Scotland and Ireland generated less support than Narnia
Telegraph.co.uk – Dec 15, 2002
No tickertape, no fanfare, no see-through machine with balls in it. Not even so much as the squeak of a balloon. And that’s where we stayed for 20 minutes while nothing happened. When the president, Lennart Johansson, finally arrived it was not in a chariot drawn by mechanical geese, nor even in the company of twin swimwear models sporting bikinis made from the Fair Play flag; it was on foot… Sky also provided a live link-up with a bar in Edinburgh where a small group of men in replica Scotland shirts stood ready to celebrate UEFA’s verdict. Strangely enough, the win for Austria and Switzerland didn’t seem to tickle them and after a tantalising glimpse of some shoulders going down, we never went back there. There is a view that Euro 2008 was somehow owed to Scotland and Ireland on account of the passion of their supporters. This is an uneven argument which, if applied generally, would mean that Italy were given the tournament every time. It’s also an insult to the Austrians and the Swiss, who are also passionate about football but just don’t happen to get quite so drunk. Critically for the Scotland and Ireland bid, UEFA continue to appoint the hosts for the European Championship on criteria other than national stomach for singsongs – criteria such as, for example, having some football stadiums. It’s also unfortunately the case that enthusiasm for a singsong has seldom been lower at UEFA, as Thursday’s business too amply demonstrated.

Never mind the missing venues, lads, have a few drinks instead
Irish Independent – Dec 15, 2002
However, it is still not clear which stadiums would be used. ” Never mind the fact that you would have expected The Irish Times to be the kind of people who would use the word stadia, the confidence and efficiency hardly shines out from that. And then you see the Austrian guy on the telly saying that “Vee promise Europe 2008 will be something special” and you just know we hadn’t a hope against that kind of efficiency. Commentators then tried to console us by stressing that the Scots and the Irish would bring great “colour” to the event. Much in the way that “a great character” is usually a euphemism for some form of schizophrenia, “colour” means, of course, drunkenness… The TV reports inevitably ended with a shot of people drowning their sorrows. And you had to think. If only Euro 2008 could have been held in a pub. We’ve got loads of them.

UEFA EURO 2008™ – News
uefa.comUEFA.com – Dec 12, 2002
Macedonia lie third in Group 7, following their impressive 2-2 draw in England. Boniek successorIt is not known who will lead Poland in those fixtures after Zbigniew Boniek’s resignation as coach last month, although Stefan Majewski is in temporary charge. All rights reserved.

The chronic stupidity that runs through Irish public life is a result…
Irish Independent – Dec 15, 2002
The revelations at the Moriarty tribunal last week; 5. The revelations at the Flood tribunal last week. We’re not talking about corruption. And class structures, which allow resources to be confiscated by the strongest, are only part of the story. The alleged corruption is being investigated (at least, some of it). The class conflict will continue, usually disguised as something else. But there’s an element that we tend to shy away from… I simply don’t know. What concerns us here is that when you prod the official story of just about anything in this country, it falls apart. Last week, we were told that the Scotland-Ireland bid to host Euro 2008 was in the home straight, and ahead by half a neck. It turned out we weren’t at the races. Here’s the important point: our politicians and administrators weren’t trying to fool us. They believed what they were saying. The incompetence and stupidity is that bad.

CNNSI.com – SI Writers – Gabriele Marcotti – Inside World Soccer -…
SI.com – Dec 12, 2002
World Soccer’s award is voted on by fans (albeit readers of the magazine, which logically skews the results somewhat), France Football’s by journalists (the magazine’s own correspondents in each of UEFA’s member nations) and FIFA’s by coaches (the national team coach of each FIFA member). Of course, when you look a little closer you find an obvious European bias to the first two awards. Most World Soccer readers are not only English-speakers (why else would they buy the magazine if they didn’t speak the language?), they hail from Europe as well. As for France Football’s award, it is limited to votes from European countries. Mailbag If you’d like to submit a question to Gabriele Marcotti, please enter it below… The very structure of the English game — where managers both coach the team and conduct transfer activities — lends itself to impropriety, and it’s an open secret that kickbacks — or “bungs” as the English call them — are rife throughout the game. Throw in the fact that a number of top managers and club chairmen have sons who just happen to be agents, and what emerges is a situation that reeks of impropriety. Hard to get excited by the venues (which tend to be small and antiseptic), but at least they’re centrally located. The fact that UEFA and FIFA are both located in Switzerland was certainly just a coincidence. Bad Week: Roma boss Fabio Capello, whose team lost to Milan over the weekend and then fell to Ajax in the Champions League. Capello’s tough-guy approach has yielded tremendous success in the past, but now his prickly personality is doing him no favors.

Iain’s switch would benefit Scots cause
Edinburgh Evening News – Dec 14, 2002
and even if the powers-that-be in English football ultimately ignored such advice it will strike many as sound, surely? Would a similar viewpoint to Taylor’s find an echo in Scottish rugby? A more pressing question is whether Lineen could be persuaded to throw his hat into the ring whenever a full-time post crops up? Here the 40-year-old ex-centre told me this week he is not yet ready for full-time involvement but how about further down the track? Look no further for guidance than the Boroughmuir website that is lovingly compiled by Mark Furnivall. It offers compelling insight into what drives Lineen under the headline “Don’t Give Up on Yourself. ” It transpires that a guiding light for Lineen is Wayne Bennett, an accomplished rugby league guru with Brisbane Broncos whom he quotes in the article, saying players should always stifle self-doubts. Further setting out his philosophy Lineen adds: “As long as they (players) don’t give in to themselves too easily… At the Manchester jamboree champions were produced in judo, gymnastics, cycling, swimming and bowls and just as the dust was settling on these achievements the rugby team sparked a revival with a first ever “hat-trick” of Autumn Test wins. In addition Alex Arthur is maturing into a professional boxer of the highest class. Far better, surely, that our nation’s energies continue to be channelled, meantime, into achieving major sporting success in areas on a variety of fronts rather than investing so heavily in providing a platform primarily for others. This country knows that if ever we are called upon to put on a show it is well within our remit – as various Open golf championships, Champions League Finals and Six Nations rugby tournaments have shown.

O’Neill desperate to avoid pain in Spain
Edinburgh Evening News – Dec 12, 2002
He said: “There’s a long way to go in the league and there is more immediacy about this because of what happens tonight. “We will know our fate with this result and go out of the UEFA Cup, but the defeat against Rangers hasn’t decided anything. ” Today could be a big day for Scotland with the country awaiting news on whether they have been successful in their bid for Euro 2008. The Celtic boss admits a successful Scottish side still in Europe could also help keep the country on a high. O’Neill continued: “First and foremost I’m obviously concerned about that of the football club itself, but the other issues are still very important. “I’m sure we would help enormously in terms of everything if we have a representative in the European football for the last 16 of the UEFA Cup. “I would hope it will also help in terms of the position of the Scottish champions to not have to qualify for the Champions League… O’Neill continued: “First and foremost I’m obviously concerned about that of the football club itself, but the other issues are still very important. “I’m sure we would help enormously in terms of everything if we have a representative in the European football for the last 16 of the UEFA Cup. “I would hope it will also help in terms of the position of the Scottish champions to not have to qualify for the Champions League. “There are a couple of country’s to surpass, but I believe we are improving and getting closer. ” Celtic will be protecting a one-goal lead from the first leg, but O’Neill still believes that La Liga’s third-place side are favourites. He insisted: “When the tie was made in the first place, they were the favourites to go through because they play in such a top-class league. “We don’t play in the kind of quality league that they play in and they are doing brilliantly in the Spanish League, so they would expect to beat us.

SOCCER: Taylor on UEFA ‘politics’
U.TV – Dec 14, 2002
Euro 2008 bid chairman Taylor saw his dream of Scotland and Ireland hosting the European football showpiece shattered by UEFA politics in Geneva as tactical voting took its toll on the Celtic bid. The Gaelic proposal was defeated by Austria and Switzerland despite being the second highest ranked bid on technical merit… Taylor said: “There are all sorts of factors we will have to consider. “There won`t be another bid like this for another two or three years and a lot of things can happen in football in that time. “It becomes very clear from our initial analysis that politics is as, if not more, important than the bid itself. gif’>It becomes very clear from our initial analysis that politics is as, if not more, important than the bid itself. gif’>David Taylor “In any major international competition, there is tactical voting. “But, obviously, the Austrian tactical voting position was better than ours.

Kingdom mourns death of a great footballer
Irish Independent – Dec 14, 2002
In fact, they said of Batt that he perfected the solo run, such was his adept skill. He was a man of great vision, ahead of his time. When watching Ireland’s failure to land the joint bid for Euro 2008 with Scotland unfold, I couldn’t help thinking about what Batt’s reaction to the GAA would have been. He was a realist, and I think he might have shared my own view that kicking to touch was not the sensible thing to do. The country should have come first. He was his own man, fear ann féin. He ploughed his trade on the field at a time when the ball was lamped into forwards, when the ‘hospital’ pass was the accepted move… He was a man of great vision, ahead of his time. When watching Ireland’s failure to land the joint bid for Euro 2008 with Scotland unfold, I couldn’t help thinking about what Batt’s reaction to the GAA would have been. He was a realist, and I think he might have shared my own view that kicking to touch was not the sensible thing to do. The country should have come first. He was his own man, fear ann féin. He ploughed his trade on the field at a time when the ball was lamped into forwards, when the ‘hospital’ pass was the accepted move. He often questioned the sense of such an approach but the story goes that Paddy Kennedy told him, in no uncertain terms, to “fight for your ball Garvey!” Generous though he was, Batt was reputed to be a little slow to go to the bar.

Motorsport.com: News channel
Motorsport.com – Dec 12, 2002
Iwas comfortable running in the car. Weather permitting, Team SauberPetronas will be able to complete the program tomorrow. Heinz-Harald Frentzen:”It’s always frustrating to be at a race track andnot be able to drive, but once the fog lifted we were able to carry on withour program. Once again, the car was reliable and we had another productiveafternoon. Sauber Petronas are very proud to celebrate today the success of theAustrian and Switzerland EURO 2008 bid supported officially byCredit Suisse and our Swiss Team during the 2002 season. -sauber- Discuss this article in the Motorsport. com Forums channel:… Heinz-Harald Frentzen:”It’s always frustrating to be at a race track andnot be able to drive, but once the fog lifted we were able to carry on withour program. Once again, the car was reliable and we had another productiveafternoon. Sauber Petronas are very proud to celebrate today the success of theAustrian and Switzerland EURO 2008 bid supported officially byCredit Suisse and our Swiss Team during the 2002 season. -sauber- Discuss this article in the Motorsport. com Forums channel:.

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